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Post by Derek on Sept 3, 2007 12:34:31 GMT -8
One for all, I say we switch back to IKF Rules for TaG and make it one day, we get more racing out of running two classes... i dunno who thought it would be more, just crazy ppl... That Canada guy just walked in and took overe and RUINED the TaG class bbut it was cool to run with the Ital Kart ppl... But I say we switch it back because it was better... ask the ppl who ran the old way and the new way and they will like the old way better... I mean only two TAG drivers who ran all season were there at the rules and they both didnt want it, I dunno why the clubs voted it in, just stupid! Next I heard canada track is trying to get a date, i dont think they should because what if not everybody can make it over and i know for darn sure i dont have a pasport and for racing? dude, its not worth the hassle... nice track, but not that good... its like Medford, just another race NObody is going to because of the travil... Next, I like what Medford was thinking, Region 7 Vs 6... it would be bomb!!! Hmmmm... idk anything right now but ill tell ya Spokane Gold Cup was hella fun! Except after the checkered in Tag... and thats one thing, If sumbody tangle with sumbody (BUMPING IS ALLOWING UNTIL YOU GO AROUND A CORNER) THEN that person who caused it should be kicked out of the season for POOR SPORTMANSHIP AND RECKLESS DRIVING!!!!!!!!
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Post by rbkart on Sept 3, 2007 20:47:16 GMT -8
The racing in 2-day format works very well if it's done with points (qual,1st heat ,2nd heat) that set the final grid. The way it is now with IKF scoring it doesn't work with a 2 day format because the penalty for missing qual or the first heat doesn't effect the outcome with the small fields we have. And Derek you might want to re-think this comment With out the turnout of TAG racers from Italkart we wouldn't have had a TAG class worth running. They add to the overall quality of racing in both the light and heavy class. And Derek as far as the racing goes if you’re just at gold cup to run as many laps as possible for your buck, stay with club racing. If you want quality competition then come to gold cup. Also the 2 day format allows for light weight senior drivers that have to deal with adding 55 - 60 lbs. to run the TAG LIGHT class, the ability to run both days. And on a side note Derek, I think the spell checker on your computer might be broken, just a guess. Or it’s operator error, don’t know.
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Post by Derek on Sept 3, 2007 22:05:52 GMT -8
please dlete this subject
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Post by rbkart on Sept 4, 2007 7:34:56 GMT -8
We Definitely need to reduce the time it takes to run these races, classes and structure need small changes. You can go to the points page and see the low turn out classes and make your own list. We left early from Spokane (6:30 PM) and got a call that the trophy presentation got over at 7:45. The people that attend these events realize it's an expensive outing but when you drive 6-7 hours to a race another night in a hotel and meals to get a trophy is ridiculous. A few ideas are reduce 2 -cycle classes - Jr' super sprtsmn, Super sprtsmn and formula 125. And 4- cycle Rookie Sprtsmn, Jr1 Animal super sprtsmn, Jr2 World formula, Jr2 world formula Hvy, Jr2 Stock Animal and Star. How many Jr2 classes are needed anyway? Gold Cup used to be the premier series and people would strive to get better at the club level so they could compete at GC. We bought motors for classes that were only run at GC so we could compete (Jr. P.P. was one) in the competitive classes. Lets try and have a goal to get kart counts up to at least 10 per class even it means buying a new (different) motor to get more karts in a class. Also lets try and get the 4-cycles away from the three heat system, we have run 4-cycles before and running out of fuel isn't an issue anymore. I'm not banging on 4-cycles we just all need to work together to get the day shortened up. I have heard people say we combine a lot of classes to save time. Yes but with fewer classes we could combine even more till they get to a respectable size. Lets try and cultivate GC classes at the local clubs to feed the series as it grows and resist if possible starting new classes to further pollute the fields we have now. We have enjoyed coming back to GC again and look forward to its success in the future. Also there are a lot of people and shops that are going to one of the biggest kart races in the country and in the world in November. I've heard that the GC Banquet is scheduled for that weekend, and I thought of how much positive input some of these people could have regionally. It would be ashamed if they weren't at GC Banquet, is there anyway that the GC banquet date could be adjusted to accommodate one of our countries biggest karting events?
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Post by Clayton H on Sept 4, 2007 10:12:09 GMT -8
rbkart I think your ideas are in the right direction if the regional series steps up and limits the classes it would improve the sport. AS with all changes good or bad people are not going to like it. Ok if there are less classes you might see a drop in overal entries for a year or two but the fields in the remaining classes will grow if you want the best copetition you have to race regional's but the best drivers are spread out in twenty classes. Another great thing is you will get a trickle down effect to the local level in the direction of classes people will choose. Also if anybody knows who are three reps will be for the regional conference please let me know.
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Post by Leonard on Sept 4, 2007 14:16:45 GMT -8
We tried every Gc that I attended to get the 4 cycle down to a heat and main format and there was just one group of people who consistantly had to have the 3 race format .
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Post by Chris Hatch on Sept 4, 2007 15:33:22 GMT -8
I am one of the 4-cycle racers who really enjoys the three heat format with invert we have going. Playing around with the schedule, going to a 2 heat format or two day format saves very little time in the daily shecdule. About 10 minutes.
Furthermore, most of the racers, at least in the adult groups like it, and there has been considerably more growth in the class over the course of the year than in any other. Why try and fix something that is not broke nor will solve the problem your hoping to fix.
I also want to point out the the W/F class was consistently one of the larest classes.
Reducing race groups is the only way to shorten the schedule.
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Post by rbkart on Sept 4, 2007 16:02:09 GMT -8
So Chris, can we agree on this at least?
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Post by Chris Hatch on Sept 4, 2007 17:11:05 GMT -8
I whole heartedly agree that we need to look at class reduction. For the last two years running I have made a motion to eliminate classes that didn't average 3/5 entries. I also think we need to stick to the classess we decide on rather than let anyone who shows up run.
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Post by Leonard on Sept 4, 2007 17:39:28 GMT -8
I agree with the 4 stroke classes and don't know about the others but I feel that endurance is part of racing and a 12 lap heat and a 16 lap main would be great , and then the 4 strokes wouldn't have to be the last class done .
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Post by Andrew on Sept 4, 2007 19:00:23 GMT -8
First of all, Derek do not say things unless you know for a fact that it became true. Claudio did not come in to ruin the Gold cup. Because all the series were mixed together, Egger, Bill, and Claudio, along with the clubs, agreed to do the race system like Egger had in SKUSA. Without me and my fellow Italkart drivers in tag there would be say 2 people in tag and roughly 3-4 in tag masters. Just because we bring more competition to the NW does not give you the right to complain about it. Along with rbkart, if you do not like it, race club. With the 4 cycles, most juniors that were up front did not like the invert because they were mixed with the Yamaha and would get cheated out at the start. Most of the parents wish to have a 2 race day or a 3 race without invert. Along with the race in chilliwak. That track is one of the best in the NW. It would be worth the drive to race. Medford for some people is 12 hours and chilliwak is about 7-8 hours. We have been up there many times just to show proof of citizenship at the border and a few questions. Medford is Region 11. Region 7 is southern Cali such as moran, atwater, and buttonwillow. Do not swear on here either. You complain about people being rude when you are the one who is being rude. Please do not say things that are not true.
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Post by Derek on Sept 4, 2007 21:26:24 GMT -8
Well thats all cool, but i still dont like the 2 day format because u get less racing... and Your killing one class atleast... I would run both but their on the same days... If Lite was on Saturday most would stay and put 30 lbs on their kart and race Heavy which would boost up both classes cuz the heavy guys would race lite... plus it would be about the same amount if u run both but you get one more heat!
Move the 4 cycle to a 2 heat race event and it would be just about the same time but we would get more racing out of it...
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Post by Andrew on Sept 4, 2007 22:07:32 GMT -8
Only problem, people like me, stepanova, and rusell already have to put 40+ pounds on our karts to make light weight. We dont have enough weight or enough places to put the weight on the seat or kart. I like the way it is because then people that are like me get to race both days anyway. You ran 2 classes. Why don't you do light and masters.
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Post by Derel on Sept 4, 2007 22:15:57 GMT -8
I am getting a leopard for next year and tossing the rotax away... so i cant run two clases and be up with the lite guys when i am 400 lbs... I mean **** dude... and if the classes are away from each other its still tough to buy tires for both classes and add gas and weight n matter of minutes... I still think that it should be one day Lite and one day Masters... More money for the series and more track time for us...
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Post by kartrcr on Sept 5, 2007 9:17:04 GMT -8
Andrew
Just to clarify. Medford is geographicly region 6. But Medford chooses to run with region 11. and back in my days of region 11 racing Medford would host seperate races for each region. Hopefully in 2008 we can come up with a regional challange with the larger classes from each region to meet and compete. Mike
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