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Post by Gorgeman on Jan 1, 2012 17:43:19 GMT -8
I think we should change the combustion chamber rule to 26.5cc's based on the yellow engines becoming the common engine.
Also, If we don't have a heavy class this year, I think we should go back to 370 pounds.
What do you think?
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Post by rocketshoes on Jan 1, 2012 18:40:23 GMT -8
Would it really matter? It'll never be teched. anyway. Just look at last years tech. record...
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Post by mikezamora on Jan 3, 2012 22:59:50 GMT -8
Eric, these are some issues we can address at the rules meeting but I do not see the head cc rule changing as we follow the Burris Clone rule set and it is still at 27.5 cc's.
Britt, we have the tech chips that the winner draws after each main event plus there have been additional tech items chosen throughout the season. I guess we can always add more tech chips to the bag...hope to see you at the rules meeting.
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Post by rocketshoes on Jan 4, 2012 7:08:41 GMT -8
Britt, we have the tech chips that the winner draws after each main event plus there have been additional tech items chosen throughout the season. I guess we can always add more tech chips to the bag...hope to see you at the rules meeting. I know it's not fun to tech and I also know this is the only claimer class, but last year the No-Tech chip was pulled 4 times. That's nearly half the races! Now, I'm not privy to the number chips in the kitty, but I think if this class is to stay in check we need to carry through with some meaningful oversight. Part of that is not waiving off tech chips that have been pulled, like the Lift and Cam Profile which were ignored last year. |
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Post by rsection8 on Jan 4, 2012 20:38:25 GMT -8
I would love to make it to the rules meeting, but I have to work.
Here's my thought. I'm not sure if this is out of the clubs budget, but couldn't we hire someone to tech the motors? From what I read in forums, other clubs hire a tech guy for the day.
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Post by keith on Jan 4, 2012 20:51:22 GMT -8
i agree with the same person on tec for all classes
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Post by mikezamora on Jan 5, 2012 10:52:36 GMT -8
Gentlemen
The tracks that are hiring a “tech guy” are dirt tracks in the Midwest and south for the most part and in all reality you are only seeing or hearing a small percentage of the story. The groups of people that have volunteered to tech at TCKC have been and will be again part of the National tech crew and have been thru the process many times. Finding and then paying for an outside or unaffiliated tech guy to come to our club races is not something that is in the budget for us without substantially raising entry fees. The use of the tech chips also takes out of play the need for them to choose something every race, which in the past was a problem, and for the most part unless something is obvious this method has worked well for the last few years.
As for changing an engine rule or chassis rule, we have put in place the rule set we have so we conform to the national and insuring body specs. Changing the cc rule on the clone for example is not something that we are willing to do just because a manufacturer changed the process they use to make a part. That road has been gone down many times before and has led to a lot of wasted money for the racers and a lot of money made by the manufacturer with no real reason for the change.
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Post by Ricky Worley on Jan 5, 2012 13:03:42 GMT -8
Not to get in argument or anything, but in the example of the clone if we went by national or insuring body specs we would be running the ikf clone rules. Which allows 26.5cc and they would be able to run the club tire as well.
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Post by Gorgeman on Jan 5, 2012 13:18:23 GMT -8
Mike, Britt, Rob,
Thanks for the posts.
I only brought up the CC rule beacuse the Yellow motor ads I have seen claim that they run around 27cc's. I don't think most people measure them and maybe just run them out of the box. Obviously if it is a big deal to change the rule I am fine with it the way it is. The Clone racers will just have to add the thicker head gasket to be legal.
As far as raising the race fees I am against that. Clone Kart Racing is supposed to be economical and fun, more fees and more tech won't help. I think as long as the tech and claiming are done at each race it should be fine.
We might want to raise the claiming amount. I suppose we will bring it up at the rules meeting.
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Post by Gorgeman on Jan 5, 2012 13:19:40 GMT -8
Thanks Ricky,
Bridgestones might be nice.
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Post by Corey on Jan 5, 2012 15:03:51 GMT -8
The rules that are used for the Clone Class are Burris because when the class was started, IKF did not have a set of clone rules. Mike Burris took the time to write these rules and they serve us and many other tracks very well. Why fix something that has been a boon and done everyone and the club good. And helped bring new blood into the sport! That alone is a positive.
In return for using their rule set, all Mike and Kurt asked was for TCKC to support their tire program in the classes that use the rules. Not charge a sanctioning fee like all of the other organizations. (which in turn make club fees rise).
The price of the claim can be changed if all are in favor, but it needs to be kept realistic for the claimer and the racer losing their engine. If not, it does not do any good.
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Post by Gorgeman on Jan 5, 2012 15:29:16 GMT -8
Corey,
Are the Burris 2012 rules out? If so, do you have the link?
Thanks.
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Post by Corey on Jan 5, 2012 19:43:18 GMT -8
I talked to Mike this afternoon. He is only working on a clarification on the spring pressure and installed height along with a billet flywheel addition at this point. They should be done and ready to post in the next week or two. Other than that, the rules will remain the same.  Corey |
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Post by rocketshoes on Jan 5, 2012 21:45:16 GMT -8
The price of the claim can be changed if all are in favor, but it needs to be kept realistic for the claimer and the racer losing their engine. If not, it does not do any good. I'd say keep the claim where it is. |
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Post by Ricky Worley on Jan 5, 2012 22:22:12 GMT -8
I don't personally have any ties to the clone whatsoever, but to me it makes more sense to run the ikf rules, and thus the club tire. Instead of having to buy new tires throughout the year, the clone racers could take advantage of all the take-offs that come from the upper classes. The Ikf rules also align well with what were running already, billet flywheel and all. It's really up to the racers though, so if they want a change they'll step up and say so. Just my two cents.
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